Curse

Neriandal Freit · Oct 24, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Lawl, they show the [SPOILER!!!]

Actual Great Destroyer, along with the one we get to pummel.

Keep in mind this as well:

If that is the actual Great Destroyer, then who or what is the actual Great Dwarf?

Edit: Just because 98% of all dwarves are now Stone Dwarves who are set out to destroy all Destroyers, doesn't mean that will be the end of them for us as players in Gw2.

TremorCrst · Oct 24, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

We've known it was cancelled since it was in the GW:EN Player Guide. Not only do they show shots of Utopia and say "this was going to be in Utopia", they state that they cancelled it.

So it's been known for a while, yeah. But the art sure is cool.

I'm sorry, I don't have the GWEN manual and didn't know that. Do they show shots of the precolumbian thingies?

The only things I know about Utopia, and that's also what I found on the wiki, is that it wasn't confirmed as one of the campaigns, so I thought it was interesting.

Bryant Again · Oct 24, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by TremorCrst

I'm sorry, I don't have the GWEN manual and didn't know that. Do they show shots of the precolumbian thingies?

The only things I know about Utopia, and that's also what I found on the wiki, is that it wasn't confirmed as one of the campaigns, so I thought it was interesting.

It's not in the player manual, but in that special edition magazine that you could buy.

draxynnic · Oct 25, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by arcady

Also note that the Maya had more advanced Astronomy than we do today,

Incorrect. The only reason we know just how good theirs was is because we've been able to cross-reference with modern measurements. Your statement probably would have been true a century or two ago, and they were certainly by far the most advanced in that field during their time (that we've discovered so far, anyway), but they certainly didn't have anything that compares to sending a probe to go take a squiz at the object of interest.

Also, there were sewerage systems well before Tenochtitlan. Ancient Rome had the Cloaca Maxima (although that was only connected to public sites, not private homes) and there is archaeological evidence of sewer systems in a civilisation in what is now Pakistan that collapsed around 1500BC.

I agree with your general sentiment, though: Central and South American civilisations certainly were a lot more advanced than most people in modern times give them credit for.

I think it's a bit of a shame it got dropped, too. It was obviously in a fairly advanced stage - it would have been nice to see a cut-down form being completed and released without the features that were causing trouble or any attempts to 'reinvent' the game.

Lord Sojar · Oct 25, 2007, 04:14 AM // 04:14

You know, I don't think ANET followed the Washington state laws regarding abortion...

*Legal in case of danger to woman's health, rape or incest, or likely damaged fetus

So....Utopia was a damaged product? It endangered their health? ANET was being raped financially? Perhaps the Nightfall team was fooling around with Factions team too much?... that is about the only possibility.

pumpkin pie · Oct 25, 2007, 04:59 AM // 04:59

concept art is like a story board, you draft / brainstorm / outlined what you wanted and you pick the one for the final product and discard the rest which anet probably keep for GW2.

however i am much intrigue by this Chronomancer

Operative 14 · Oct 25, 2007, 05:14 AM // 05:14

Absolutely astounding. I really wish they had gone with this sort of theme for a full, 4th campaign and given GW1 the sendout it deserved.

Surena · Oct 25, 2007, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Yep, that's how A's armor should look, not spikey crap like Ancient

Yes, but then the assasin models look stupid enough. Males like geeky ninja-wannabes and females like anorexic goners.

TremorCrst · Oct 25, 2007, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It's not in the player manual, but in that special edition magazine that you could buy.

If it's not the player manual (you wrote the GW:EN Player Guide, what a name for a magazine) and if possible, add what you know (re-phrased, to avoid copyright problems) to the wiki: that magazine wasn't and isn't available to everybody.

Mr. G · Oct 25, 2007, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by Rahja the theif

Uhh, I want this monk armor...like bad.... for my male monk Sojar... omg.... /drool

Well if it makes you feel better dex im working on a mod to re-produce this...wish i started on the female though...those models actually exist....

Bale_Shadowscar · Oct 25, 2007, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by Nevin

What assassin armor should've been

Thats concept art for something in the Bonus Mission Pack:

And the warrior snake armor looks like a Kurz reskin to me.

Mr. G · Oct 25, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

getting there.....

ok nothing like it =P i tried

william1975 · Oct 25, 2007, 10:56 AM // 10:56

As much as we all would have loved to have another chapter and no matter how much the art looks great, it seems obvious that Anet took the decision to scrap chapters because of one thing, the playerbase.

While it is large it isnt large enough to cover 3 chapters, never mind 4.
With each new chapter the majority moved to it, and once things settled down the amount of people in any one outpost was tiny.

Anet took the decision that while the idea was a success they couldnt continue with ever increasing geography and spreading the fanbase over all of it. GW2 is meant to counter this, we will have to see.

just wish we had soem of the cool armour

Fril Estelin · Oct 25, 2007, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by william1975

it seems obvious that Anet took the decision to scrap chapters because of one thing, the playerbase.

This is not obvious to me, not at all. To me, Anet has reached the limit of what they can do, given their company size. And it seems that they chose to stay a "medium size" company and concentrate on a few projects that they can manage (of course, it's all relative, people will always say you can do better and more ...), rather than stretch their resources. From the exterior, it seems that Anet is a very well organised company, though the playerbase gives them some hard time

. What I like is that as a software company, they start very early during the development phase, design and conception are key points (and most SW people know, the more you spend there, the less you'll have to spend later ... and on-the-fly updates make the problem even less complicated!). Though many people will complain that this is not enough ... forgetting that the model takes into account no monthly fees (and so very constrained resources, you can't just hire 10 more graphics designers on the spot for this bandana glitch ...).

Honestly, I'd love to see a big article on Anet's development method. We know they use integrated development via Visual Studio. I'd love to know how the concept art, graphics designer and core game developpers communicate. (maybe in-game on private GW servers?

) Please please Anet, release something akin to the DVD in the GW:Nightfall Collector's Edition with exclusive information like this!

lakatz · Oct 25, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by Surena

Do you notice how cartoonish (appealing to younger players) GW looks compared to the artwork?

Concept art vs low poly 3D modeling = apples vs oranges.

Lord Sojar · Oct 25, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by lakatz

Concept art vs low poly 3D modeling = apples vs oranges.

Indeed, if Guild Wars used a high poly multi texture engine, it would look better then the concept art. Just look at heavenly sword for details of this.

Concept Art:

Ingame Graphics:

Onarik Amrak · Oct 25, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Indeed, if Guild Wars used a high poly multi texture engine, it would look better then the concept art. Just look at heavenly sword for details of this.

Concept Art:

Ingame Graphics:

Funky!

Still that doesn't explain the armor reskins.

Fril Estelin · Oct 25, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

IJust look at heavenly sword for details of this.

If Anet could rely on the PS3 horsepower, I'm sure they'd do something much better (if only inspired by beautiful artwork!). Furthermore, a still picture is clearly not enough, the animation has to be able to not "cheat" too often for your eyes to be disappointed (similar to the graphic tricks most games were using until recently).

It's very easy to raise the graphics bar, there are amazing ray-tracers out there, Half-life 2/Halo 3/Gears of War/Crysis/Quake Wars graphics engines are very impressive, but it's a totally different game (so to say) to run this on most computers, with only 4-5Go of data for 4 games, and in an MMO environment.

You can't see me · Oct 25, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Concept art is always better than the actual game. Market researchers that sell to the general population feed the idiotic consumers (mainly children who beg their parents for the game) and ignore the actual gamers for money's sake. Stuff like that will never meet the gamer's eye in the actual gameplay.

Omega X · Oct 25, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

Keep in mind this as well:

If that is the actual Great Destroyer, then who or what is the actual Great Dwarf?

Edit: Just because 98% of all dwarves are now Stone Dwarves who are set out to destroy all Destroyers, doesn't mean that will be the end of them for us as players in Gw2.

I don't think that was the actual Great Destroyer. The Great Destroyer was the General of Primordius. We never actually got to see the real Great Dwarf.

And I agree with the edited part.